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Ep 5. - Leadership & Flourishing, with Kathy Eastwood

Season #2

SHOW SUMMARY:

In this episode I’m chatting with Kathy Eastwood, the owner of E Equals Why. Kathy is changing the way business leaders connect to their employees, so naturally we talk about what makes a good leader. But we also discuss why creating a business was part of her intentional shift into a happier and more purposeful life, how she knew it was time for something more, and the value of creating circles of people around you and allowing yourself to change the circles at any time. We also dive into authenticity, expectations, living with our values, and the power of our words. It’s a great conversation! Check it out and then join us in the Flittersphere to continue the conversation.

SHOW MAP:

  • 3:50 – What it means to Kathy to live vibrantly and what prompted her to intentionally shift her life
  • 8:12 – The importance of looking for the signs that it’s time for a change and more purpose… and how sticking with the familiar and safe isn’t as good for us as it sounds
  • 11:40 – A personal story about divorce, forced life changes, resilience, and being careful not to die in safe, comfortable spaces instead of going for what we want
  • 15:28 – Striving for success and meeting other people’s expectations
  • 17:04 – How Kathy overcame her fears and did what she really wanted to do despite external expectations and pressures; plus, the question she asked herself that motivated her to take action, being afraid to even try, and having made up rules in life
  • 23:26 – Running her own company is a key element of Kathy’s midlife shift into her best life
  • 26:15 – The essential leadership skill of lifting others as you climb - and asking if the golden rule needs an update
  • 30:29 – The trend of prioritizing employee well-being and brining our whole, authentic self to work, including our values so we can feel like we make a difference
  • 36:50 –Changing workplace expectations - people want purpose and meaning at work
  • 41:05 – Other changes Kathy made to live on her terms, true to who she is
  • 44:52 - Creating support circles and allowing yourself to change the circles as needed in life
  • 51:00 – Kathy’s advice for others seeking a midlife shift, including the power of certain words that we should add or remove from our vocabulary

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SPEAKERS:

Guest Kathy Eastwood is an accomplished executive with over 25 years of experience in driving success through strategic business planning, operational efficiency and employee engagement in both large corporations as well as small, privately-owned businesses. She’s held leadership roles in Human Resources, Operations, Finance, Sales, SaaS, Services, Customer Success, Project Management, Marketing and Engineering. Kathy is often described as a nurturing driver. Kathy knows how to successfully get things done through strong employee engagement. She is changing the way business leaders connect with employees with her E3E Formula: Express + Engage + Execute, powered by Emotions that she has learned and leveraged throughout her life.

 

Hostess SUZETTE CONWAY founded the Flittersphere™, a collection of courses, communities, and coaching programs, to support women 40 and older in creating a vibrant midlife! It’s a great time to shift things so you can release the burned out, angsty, restless feeling of living disconnected from what you are meant for and finally have the deeply satisfying life your spirit craves. Suzette started her company in 2017, bringing the wisdom of a 25-year career in corporate learning & development, a degree in communications, deep curiosity and a love of exploring the human experience, a nerdy obsession with positive psychology (the science of thriving!), a craving for Sparkable Moments™... and a determination to live vibrantly! This quickly turned into a mission of enabling better human experiences and helping women live more Sparkable Lives™!   From that, this podcast was born! Learn more and join the Flittersphere™ with the links below.

 

TRANSCRIPT:

Suzette Conway  00:05

Hey there, welcome to the Sparkle Moments™ podcast, where we have conversations to feed the soul. In this show, we explore the human experience using a mix of science and personal stories, random ponderings and deep end of the pool discussions. I'm your hostess, Suzette Conway. I'm a happiness coach and the creator of the Flittersphere™, which is a community of women intent on crafting our most vibrant lives. The show is part of my mission to raise the world's vibration and consciousness by creating better human experiences to change the world in beautiful and spectacular ways. I'm so glad you're joining me on the journey.

 

Suzette Conway  00:45

Today I'm talking to Kathy Eastwood, the owner of the leadership development company E Equals Why. We're chatting about how creating her business was central to her midlife shift into a thriving life. And at the end of the show, Kathy shares some great advice for other people who are starting in midlife shift, including how the power of our words can stop us or enable us. We discuss three specific words to remove or add from your daily vocabulary and five ways that you can know if you're ready for your own midlife shift. You won't want to miss it, or all the good bits that lead up to it.

 

Suzette Conway  01:25

So, Kathy, and I met when we worked together at a software company decades ago, and we've been friends ever since, like literally around 20 years, I think. I think you'll find what I find in Kathy is that she is feisty, and smart, and generous and so much more. I love her energy and her spirit, and I think that you will too. And on top of all that she's a brilliant businesswoman. Kathy is an accomplished executive with over 25 years of experience driving success in organizations through strategic business planning, and operational efficiency, and employee engagement. And she's done this in large corporations as well as small privately owned companies. And she's held leadership roles in everything from human resources to operations and finance, sales and services, customer success, project management, marketing, and even in engineering. She is often described as a nurturing driver, which I have experienced myself in the way that I know her. It's just one of her brilliant skills, if you will, and just part of our true nature and purpose to blend those two things that feel like they're opposing, but they're not, right? So, Kathy is absolutely a nurturing driver. And she knows how to successfully get things done through strong employee engagement. And she's changing the way that business leaders connect with their employees by helping them to see the human side of leadership. She's flourishing in real life, and helping others do the same by leveraging her E3 formula, which is Express, Engage and Execute, all powered by emotions that she's learned and leveraged throughout her life.

Among other things, we'll talk today with Kathy about how running her own company factored into her efforts at building her best life, and how she leverages her strong foundation in that area and her background, to build upward and to lift others along with her. Kathy, I'm so glad you're here. Thank you for coming.

 

Kathy Eastwood  03:13

Oh, Suzette, thanks so much for having me. I'm very humbled by that introduction. But I'm looking forward to this conversation.

 

Suzette Conway  03:20

I know, I feel like it's been a long time coming, like you've been on my list of people to talk to for a while. But I got a little distracted and kind of nixed the show for a bit. So, I'm glad to be coming back full steam with you, right now, like this is… I feel like our conversations recently have really just been preparing us for this moment.

 

Kathy Eastwood  03:38

I agree absolutely. And everything you're doing, it's just, it's things that I have gone through, right, and you know, it just feels so natural and so comfortable.

 

Suzette Conway  03:48

Oh, yay. Okay, so I want to begin by connecting us to the overall theme of the show. So, I want to ask you, what do you think it means to thrive in your life? Like what does vibrant living look like and feel like and include for you?

 

Kathy Eastwood  04:03

You know, for me, it really is being true to who I am and living the life I want to live as opposed to the life I thought I had to live. And you know, for me thriving is like living with purpose. You know, it is about living my values. And getting rid of the fear that has stopped me through so much in my life.

 

Suzette Conway  04:30

That's such a great answer. Fear is such a powerful thing in all of us, right? It's our ego’s way of kind of keeping us safe and still and it really does end up locking us into things that don't always line up with what we want. Yeah. Can you, would you be willing to share a little bit about what your life looked like a few years ago… in terms of how that's different from today and what prompted you to make some changes and intentionally shift things?

 

Kathy Eastwood  04:53

Oh, my God, it's completely different. You know, and I think it's both personally and professionally, you know, I think in this day and age, that's just blends so much, right, both of it's happening.

You know, personally, I was single, you know, fearful of getting in another bad relationship. My identity was with work, you know… my work defined who I was. I worked way too many hours, and I was just really striving to make others look good or feel good, and not taking care of myself, quite honestly.

 

Suzette Conway  05:36

How did that leave you feeling? Like? What was the impact of all of that in terms of your health, your happiness, the way you were being in the world? What were you like in that state?

 

Kathy Eastwood  05:48

I got a lot done. [laughter]

Um, but it just, I felt like I was on a hamster wheel, constantly going. And, you know, like, what's next? What do I have to do next? What’s success looks like? And how do I define it, and all of that.

It felt fairly empty, I think is if I'm honest, you know, it was like I just lived - I compartmentalized where I was and what I was doing, and focused on that, right, and just saying, “Okay, let me stay here. And I'll be safe if I stay in this box and not have to worry about anything.”

But there was a lot of what I consider constant, which meant, I didn't have a lot of highs, and I didn't have a lot of lows. So, it was contentment - is probably one of the best words that I've used over the years. You know, listen, I couldn't complain about anything I had, I had a charmed life from what other people look at. But I was missing something. And I wasn't quite sure. But I just realized that something was missing.

 

Suzette Conway  06:59

I love that. So, there's three things that jumped out at me from that. Like, the first thing is that you felt empty in that, which is a startling. I think everyone I know who has found – how has kind of woke up and said, “Oh, it's time for something different, something has to change”, has that. Everyone I talk to says the same thing - they felt lonely or empty, some version of that, right? Because we're doing everything we think we're supposed to be doing and it isn't fulfilling. It isn't filling our bucket, literally.

And that was the second thing you said is, you say you said I felt empty, and oh, you said always thinking of what I should do, right like this notion of obligation and keeping up and meeting expectations, and how that’s often very different than what we want for ourselves. They don't often align, right, external focus versus internal focus. Those two things really jumped out at me. And then there was the last thing, what did you say at the end? You said, um, I just lost it. It's all right. There was - do you remember what you said?

 

Kathy Eastwood  07:58

You want me to remember?

 

Suzette Conway  07:59

Do you?  It was brilliant, certainly!

 

Kathy Eastwood  08:06

You know when we listen to the recording next time…

 

Suzette Conway  08:10

… it will come out eventually.

So but I just I think that's pretty powerful. It's like to notice that those things are like indicators, right? When you think about how to know if you're ready for a midlife shift and ready to, to move into something else with purpose, right? It's often a question about, I knew something was missing, but I didn't know what it was or how to get it. And I felt empty or alone or unfulfilled, something like that.

Would you - do you feel like you got to some sort of apex of - you hit a limit and tipped over and that was it and something had to change? Or do you feel like, in line with what you're saying earlier about steadiness- that it just was building and building and building and one day, you just kind of had enough and we're ready to do something? Like was it dramatic or just a lot of small moments strung together?

 

Kathy Eastwood  08:58

I think, you know, probably a little bit of both, right? So, I think there was small incremental things that were building, and recognition that I knew some of these things were happening. I knew I worked too much. I knew, you know, I put others before myself and things like that. But there was one monumental shift that happened, you know, when I was working, and I call it the stupid poopy head moment. And it's the moment where I was working for someone and I had to give up my own values, my own beliefs and all of that. And it just, you know, I woke up this one day, and I'm like, What am I doing? Why am I doing this? You know, I'm not being true to who I am. I need to change something. And so, I left you know, a large corporate job with no other job on the horizon and said “nope, time to make a change.”

And I didn't have the time to sit and reflect while I was in this role. And you know, I said, you know, I've worked really hard, I've saved up some money. It's time that I need to just take that break and do that self-exploration and figure out what's next for me what really matters. So finally, I did finally get to that point, because I was getting into a situation where I didn't really… I was being nasty to people, like, I was barking at people, my frustration came out, my anger came out. And all of that negativity was impacting my relationships. And I knew that my relationships were critical. And so, you know, what could I do to change those relationships? Yeah, I love that.

 

Suzette Conway  10:50

There's so much goodness in there, right? Because there's a point where, like, I always say that we humans can tolerate the intolerable for a really long time, when we get used to it when it's not, it's not quite bad enough to force us to change. But it's bad enough to create this like low grade unhappiness, right? And so it's, there's, we tolerate it for a long time, and we resist changing, but there is a point where we just cannot lie to ourselves anymore about what isn't working, right? Even if we don't know what will work, we don't know what the hell we're gonna do, or how we're going to get there or what its gonna look like. And it's often incredibly scary, but something has to give.

 

Kathy Eastwood  11:26

You know, something does, right. And well, I guess not everyone leaves in that light. But when you when you get to the other side of it -         you go “Oh, okay. Yeah, I get it.”

And I think, you know, I'll be honest, and I'll share a personal story. For me, I got married young. And I was divorced before I was 30. I was forced to change and do something I wasn't ready for. And I learned what the worst-case scenario was. So, I've had a lot of - that's helped provide a lot of freedom in my life - to say, “well, what's the worst-case scenario?”, you know, what's the worst-case scenario -  I'm gonna be sleeping back on my parent’s bed? You know, in their basement, right? Well, that happened to me already. So, I lived through that worst-case scenario, and when I'm presented with some of those things later on in life, you know, each kind of decade is gone, I'm like, oh, yeah, it’s time, I gotta do something different... because the worst-case scenario is I'm in the basement of my parent’s house, and I survived that and it wasn't too bad.

 

Suzette Conway  12:42

I love that. I don't know where I learned it, but I have a quote, somewhere on my board that says “don't die in the basement.” And it was literally, the story was, it's almost similar – there’s a person, this woman, she woke up and she was…I'm going to find a source for it if I can… but she woke up in a miserable relationship, her husband was alcoholic, and she was telling the story about how she had, for years tried to make that work. And she finally decided one day it wasn't and she said “you need to change or I'm gonna leave” and he said he wouldn't and all this stuff. And he just couldn't, he wasn't ready. We're all on our own journey and our own timeframe is my belief. But anyway, she knew she had to make a change. And she thought, I'm gonna give up everything and move to New York City where she had always wanted to go, and I can't remember what it was like, I don't know if she wanted to go be an actress or whatever. But the story was, she needed to be in New York. And she told her, her mom, she was gonna do this and her mom, in all her attempt to love her and nurture her, her daughter, right, had said something like, “Oh, honey, don't do that, you're gonna ruin your life. Like, it's so different. And that so drastic, just come here, and recover and recoup.” And she said to herself, she said, I knew I couldn't do it. Because if I did, I would never leave and I would die in the basement of my parent’s house. And she didn't mean literally die, she meant like her spirit would die. And so that is something that I feel like I can relate to so strongly. And I know you didn't literally or figuratively die in your parent’s basement. But there's that potential for us. Right? And we have to be aware of like, how long are we gonna sit where it's comfortable and safe and let our spirit die inside of us instead of doing what we feel pulled to do, right? Like it just, it's so powerful.

[laughter] It made me think of you were saying something about you or giving up your values, right, that that's one of the signs that you knew something had to change. That made me think of Robin Williams. I heard him interviewed one time, he was talking about what made him go to rehab, you know, because he had some issues with substance abuse. And he said, I knew I had to go – I knew it was time for a change when - how did he say it - I was violating my standards faster than I could lower them - like he couldn't even keep up with his own lowering you know, something had to give and, and I think it's important that we look for those signs. I mean, all joking aside, right, you know when something's wrong, but it's easier to see if you're actually looking for signs that things are right or not for you.

 

Kathy Eastwood  14:57

Yep. And oftentimes we feel like, we'd rather stick with what we know, because it feels safer, and it's less scary. But in reality, you know, you're just gonna stay in that same content mode, you have to do something differently. What's the definition - you probably are better at this - the definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, or this different result.

 

Suzette Conway  15:24

Yes, it’s doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yeah, right.

And it's, you know, it's understandable, we're actually conditioned, I think in, in our modern society, and I'm gonna say, at least in Western society, I can't speak for other cultures everywhere around the world. But we are absolutely conditioned to strive for success to meet other people's expectations, to do, I want to say, like what's expected of us in terms of like, there's a right way, right, there's a right path to get on in life. You go to school, you get a job, you work really hard, you save your 401K up, like there's all these things. And there isn't a lot of room in there, sometimes, for self-expression for personal fulfillment, for satisfaction, and meaningfulness as opposed to meeting other people's expectations and assumptions. Even oftentimes, when it's in our head, right? Like what we're doing what we think other people want of us, even if they don't often express it. I remember saying to my mom one time - and I'm an adult, by the way, I'm in my 50s - this was recent, it was not like I was 20. I’d been harboring for years that I wanted to live somewhere other than Texas, where I live. And I said, “Mom, if I go, will you come with me? And she said, No, I'm not leaving Texas.” And she said “but go, I want you to have your best life,” you know. I can't tell you how often I in my head that conversation is, “well, no, you can't go honey, I need you what if I - I'm frail, I'm old, I might need something.”.  It’s like, my mother doesn't need me like that. My mother wants me to be happy. But my idea about her expectations for me shapes what I do. And it's not even accurate.

 

Kathy Eastwood  16:53

Yeah. But it's that fear, right, all of those stories that we're telling ourselves, and, and society puts so many of those fears on us. You know, I there was years ago, I left my job, [laughter] another job, I’ve left my job a couple of times. But for that, someone had asked me “If you could do anything in the next role? What would you do?”, and I'm like, I don't know, I don't want to work. I just want to travel. And someone's like, “Well, why don't you?” And I'm like, “Well, that's not responsible.” Well, I took a break from my job and traveled for a year. I bought an around the world ticket and traveled.

 

Suzette Conway  17:31

I remember that that was when we worked together - because you left that company to do that. And I was in awe of you. And I remember thinking “god, she must be filthy rich to be able to do that.”

Really, what I know now, right, I didn't know then, is it when we're creating the outcomes we want, you can create, regardless of circumstance, if you're clear on what you want and willing to follow your intuition. And that's what you did in that moment.

 

Kathy Eastwood  17:56

Yes. And that was, you know, again, it went back to I had already lived in my parent’s basement the second time, you know. So, I was like, what's the worst case… I spend every penny and I go into debt, and I'm back in my parent’s basement, you know, like, I can do this.

But it was other people. I mean, including my mother, and I love her to death, and we joke about it now... but..

she's like,“You can't do that.”

and I'm like, “Why not?”

[She said] “Well, you're not going to get another job?”

[I said] “Well why not?”

You know, and sure enough, I was able to come back. And, you know, I came back to the same company, right, and worked for another year. And you know, it just started the progression with just a short break I took.

Suzette Conway  18:34

Yeah, it's funny, because you know, you think about it, like, where is it that - how is it that we learn this lesson that we have to even be afraid of trying? It's not the doing, it's even the wanting or the trying of it. And it's this fear, I think what I hear in that is like this notion of, you can't get off the track, you can't get off the hamster wheel because you might not be able to get back on, right. And that's and there's real fear in that.

I mean, we’ve both started our own businesses in the last few years. And I think all the time about throwing in the towel and going back to my corporate job. And I may still do it someday. But I also think, “Oh crap, if I'm gonna do that, I better do it fast, because I'm getting old and they're not going to want me.”, like there's, there's stories in our heads about we have only so much time. Not in a good way. But like, I can have a certain amount of time to play and do the irresponsible thing as you were saying, right? But then you got to get back to it. And if you don't get back to it, you're gonna make some irrecoverable mistake in your life. And it's this - it's like the fear of doing it wasn't that enough, now you have the fear of “Ooh, if I do it, I only get to do it for a little amount of time and then I gotta go right back.” Like we just compound it one after the other after the other like that.

 

Kathy Eastwood  19:43

But I think you know, and all the conversations we've had over the years is when you can put it around what you would love and make that the center of it, the other stuff kind of comes into play.

I'll tell you a story. I met a guy. I was living in England at the time and I was working for a company.

He's like, “Oh, can you put my resume in? I really want to work for that company.”

And I said, “Okay, you know, what's your role?”

He was in marketing. I said “Why do you want to work for this company?”

[He said] “I don't know what the big name.

I go, “Okay, well, let's take a step back. What would you love to do?”

And he says, “Ah, well, I would love to be a racecar driver.”

I’m like “All right, not sure I can help you with that one. Okay. So, let's think about this.”

And so we talked a little bit further, and I'm like, “Well, wait a minute, you live in England, there is a ton of Formula One car companies in England. Like, why don't you go apply for them - with your marketing experience, go apply for them.”

And it was like this light bulb went on in his head. And he's like, “What?”.  And sure enough, six months later, I get an email from him, because now I'm traveling, right? So he emails me and he says, you know, thank you. Because I never thought I could be involved. He goes, but I'm writing this note to you from the pit of the Formula One race. He goes, I'm on the marketing team, and we're down in the pit and there's race, and I'm thinking of you. He's like, I would never have had this opportunity.

We all know what we want to do, Suzette, right? Like it's inside of us. And, you know, we need to just find ways to make it happen outside of the constraints that we put on ourselves.

 

Suzette Conway  21:22

I love that there's a phrase that I love from one of my mentors - he says we spend more time often, when we're in our human sort of egoic perspectives, we spend more time protecting our heart than listening to it and following it. And what you're talking about is the skill of doing the reverse, right is listening to what your heart wants, and then having the courage to follow it and just have some faith that it will be okay. Right?

And if it's not – I’m just full of quotes today - and if it's not, okay - it'll be okay in the end, if it's not, okay, it's not the end, right? Like, I don't know where that quote comes from, but we have so much possibility and so much potential, and there are always options in front of us. So what does it hurt to try?

 

Kathy Eastwood  22:00

And sometimes there's a subset of it already in there. You know, so one of the exercises of “what would I love, where would I love to live?”… well, I would love to live on the water. And I would love to have, you know, my tea in front of the water in the morning and all this. But to my head, it was going to be on, you know, a lake and an outdoor deck and all of this. I suddenly woke up one day and realized that I live on the East River. But we didn't have our bed facing the water, my desk isn't anywhere near the water. I'm like, you know what I could be living at least 50% of what I would love in the apartment in Manhattan, you know. Like, oh, I have a lot of this already. This is fantastic. So recognizing that you don't have to have 100% of something and you can get, you can take steps to get there.

 

Suzette Conway  22:50

I love that. Yeah, the clear and obvious actions that get you to if you're focused on what it is you want. And in a state of sort of innocence and intuition, and just what's obvious to go towards that. And in your case, the obvious thing was as simple as changing the arrangement of your furniture, and you got to appreciate and enjoy what you had more. I love that. I think that's a perfect example of how small changes can have a big impact, and that we don't have to do dramatic big things sometimes to have a life that better aligns with our true nature and our spirit. Right. Yeah, I love that. Okay, so let me let me shift that a little bit. So in in line with that… one of the things I know about you and seeing you and your business is that - actually, you know what, let me back up. I'm sorry, I want to ask you another question. First, how did you know that running a business was part of this life? How did you know that was one of the shifts you had to make?

 

Kathy Eastwood  23:43

I’ve known that since I was eight years old. Hmm. So I was sitting in my father's office. He had a corner office in the World Trade Center. And I and he was the president of the company. So I'm sitting there and my little bow tie on this is all my founder story. But it's just I knew I was going to be the president of a company one day, I was going to travel like him and I was going to run the business and it just felt right. So that's always been deep down something I knew I wanted to do. But what's interesting, I'll be honest, I lost that somewhere along the line. And I became very comfortable being number two, and being the kind of the wizard behind the scenes of helping other people. But it was something I always wanted to help lead because I was leading as a kid even, you know, I was the captain of sports teams... I was the Drum Major in the band. So, I loved leadership. And it kind of was something I knew was in my heart.

 

Suzette Conway  24:55

I love that so much of what is aligned to our true nature and purpose is connected to our childhood, right, to that state in life when we were still innocent when we still knew how to dream without limits and play and imagine everything possible. And it never quite occurred to us that those things weren't likely to happen, right? There's something about reconnecting to that part of yourself your own inner child that I think can help people when they're on when they're ready for a midlife shift. One of the one of the most important things you can do is reconnect to what you want. And one of the fastest ways to do that is to remember what you wanted as a child, and what might that look like today. I love that story. And by the way, I'm going to link your founder story in the show notes, I'll put that in the show notes, for anyone who wants to hear more about that. The other thing I didn't know what I love about I didn't know your dad was some high-powered business owner in the Twin Towers. And like that, just for some reason, it doesn't shock me knowing what I know about you. But all the time we've known each other I didn't know that. And I just I love that you're like that you're fueled by that, and then you were inspired by your father and that you have found your way back to that.

 

Kathy Eastwood  26:00

Well, in my dad's life took a whole different, you know, he left that career and opened a sports store and a bunch of other things. So, you know, yah, he's been a role model for me my entire life.

 

Suzette Conway  26:12

I love that. Love it. Okay, so something else I imagine he modeled for you and that you think about a lot as a leader - and I know we've talked about a lot, but it shows up in not only in how you function, but in literally the purpose of your business these days - is this notion of lifting others up as you climb, and doing it with purpose and heart. It's not just oh, yeah, yeah, that's something a leader does. It's an - I  don't even have to say - it's like a driver inside of you to lift others as you climb. Can you talk about that a little bit? And even how if it does at all factor into the choices you've made in recent years?

 

Kathy Eastwood  26:48

Yeah, that is my passion in life. That is my number one value is to inspire and enable others. You know, when I left the company, and really did the analysis of “what would I do if I didn't have to make money?”, Right? Like, what would I do every day? And I realized that was inspiring and enabling others, I wanted to give back to others the way I had been influenced over my life. And I knew that we all have stuff inside of us. So how do I enable others. And then it goes back to what my father taught me, you know, as a kid, treat everyone with dignity and respect. And that you never judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes. And those two life lessons have stuck with me throughout my personal and professional lives. And I realized that I was someone that knew how to get stuff done. You know, my mother would call it bossy. But I can get stuff done. But I realized that kind of my superpower was caring about others. And you can't do anything alone, in my opinion. Everything is about really pulling others around you to come with you on the journey - and how do you do that is help them feel good about themselves, help them, you know, succeed, understand what their fears, uncertainty and doubts are. And so that's what I've really built into this business of what leadership is about how do you drive change? Well you drive change by caring for people? You know, when you care about other people, they want to do more to help you. Right? Like, how do you feel like if someone's helping you, you're like, oh, how can I help you back? Right, and if someone smiles at you, you want to smile at them. Think about how wonderful this world would be if we were all just trying to lift everybody else up. It's just a much more powerful place. And that's why I love working with other people working with yourself and others in our circle. It's just the more you talk to others, you inspiring you enable them and we're all better as a result of it.

 

Suzette Conway  29:07

Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that. I think the underlying thing there, right, is the caring. It has to be genuine. When you genuinely care about people and want the best for them and want to see them and understand them and bear witness to their genius in use, kind of thing, like that is it's it is a powerful thing for them, but also for you. It's not it's almost a little selfish - it like - not just selfish, that’s not the word but like it's, we think that caring about other people is all about them, but it has an impact on us as well. And oh, my goodness, what a world it would be. I love that .

 

Kathy Eastwood  29:44

I want to change the golden rule, which I believe in right treat everyone the way you want to be treated. But actually, I think it's treat everyone how they want to be treated. And connect to them and help them because listen, at the end of the day, you're trying to get something done. And so there might be a selfish part of it, but there's outcomes that they're gonna get out of it as well. So. what is that outcome that they're going to get, you know, on this journey with you, and they'll most likely engage and help and be part of the solution.

 

Suzette Conway  30:20

Love that. And you know, I know in I know, we're supposed to be talking about like your personal life, but I want to dig in a little bit more on the business stuff, while your personal life in terms of this whole shift, but one of the things I've noticed, and I know you're aware of it, too, is this trend in the professional environment these days towards incorporating a concern for wellbeing, that your employee’s wellbeing matters… that we want to be able to bring our whole self to work, and stop separating ourselves as this is my work self, and this is my real self. And I can be my real self at home. But at work, I have to be perfect. I have to meet expectations. I can't show any chinks in the armor, you know, all of these things. And I think so much of what you speak to in your business, and what we're talking about here is connecting to the truth that we are, we are imperfect, gloriously imperfect people, and that, that we need to stop expecting perfection and start having some empathy and understanding of people's needs and perspectives. But I also think that there's room here, and I think this is still a bit of a missing piece. The companies who are moving in this direction, including you helping these companies move in this direction, get this right is that it isn't enough to say, oh, yeah, we know our employees are, yeah, they want to bring their whole selves to work, right? You actually have to care about the expression of their wholesales, even if that means they don't stay with you. I was just having a conversation with my sister the other day about how a good leader and leadership in my opinion, I think you probably agree with this, it's not a job title. It's a way of being, it's a way of functioning, it's a choice. And you can be a leader no matter where you're at in the company. But leadership is about wanting to help other people be their best selves, I think and so if that means that they work for you for six months, and give them a give you their ALL right? And then they kind of go “you know what, as part of working for you, I've discovered I want something else, I want X, Y and Z over here.” And you want to wish them well and say my God, go and do and be what you're supposed to do and be and thank you for what you contributed. And I think that runs so contrary to what we see in most companies these days with, with leadership being about managing and directing and dictating and pulling out everything we can as people for the benefit of the company, with total disregard for what it does to them. And it's why we're seeing the great resignation. And there was something I heard a call today, what was it but the quiet resignation, if you've heard of that one, where people are sort of quietly pulling back from how much they're willing to give up themselves. And there is a there's just a monumental shift happening, I think in the way people work and what they're willing to do for work. And I think that when we talk about having the lives we want to have, and being intentional about that a big part of it is how we work and who we work for and what we expect from people we work for.

 

Kathy Eastwood  32:56

I agree. And it's interesting, Suzette is as we're having this dialogue, and you're saying, oh, we should go, you know, we gotta get back to the personal. For me, the two have intertwined, right? And really the professional the personal, in the sense [that], I don't want to spend my time in an office or working with other people that don't care about me, right? I really want to work with people that are genuinely showing up, that are authentic. And that means I have to first be authentic and vulnerable. And that is something - in the workplace, we've been taught not to bring our real selves or our whole selves in. But when you think about if you can bring your whole self into work, then you're bringing your own values like, so I'll coach different folks, who say “Well, our company doesn't have a purpose. So I don't care and this and that.” Every one of us has values, every one of us can define who we are and what we care about. And you can bring those values into the workplace, so you at least get something, right? And you're able to help others. Like I say, I'm inspiring and enabling Well, if I can help my colleague do that, at the end of the day, even if I didn't believe in the purpose of what I'm doing, necessarily, I'm helping my colleague and I'm feeling good at the end of the day. Well, that then is contagious with other team members, and they want to do the same. So, you're right, business is so stressed in this day and age they have to get things done and think that just giving a checklist giving the mandates managing the tasks is the way to go. And that's what I'm really working to eradicate that bad management. That's bad management. Leadership is about inspiring and enabling people to do the things they either didn't know they wanted to do, things they wanted to do, didn't think they could do, right, or things that collectively we need to do for the better good. And so, yeah, it's fun, like when you're talking to someone that gets it, the effort you put into leadership makes a huge difference. And you get a lot better results than managing through authority. But not everyone has the tools We read the books, we buy into the theory and this and that, but it takes hard work. It takes time. It takes being vulnerable and digging deep, and practicing. Right? You know, just like anything in our lives, unless we stop and think about it and put some effort into it, work with others… it just doesn't happen overnight.

 

Suzette Conway  35:40

Yeah, it's like a yoga practice, right? I actually have something similar in my business called Vibrant Living Practices™. It's a set of things that you can do that impact the experiences you have. And in your case, leadership experiences, the way you experience leadership, the outcomes as a result of them (experiences), can be impacted by the practices that you implement as a leader. And there's something really powerful about acknowledging that the that the power to do better every day is in us, but it relies on the choice to practice to show up. And I think, in your line of business, to teach people to make space for that is so important. I just, I love what you're doing out there. And that this is so aligned to the truth of who you are, and your shift, right in your own midlife.

 

Kathy Eastwood  36:21

But I think that's where the similarities of you helping individuals, right, and getting to that shift in their personal life, right? Because if everyone is feeling better on their personal lives, and they're bringing that into the professional life, and then they're feeling better, and it's a virtuous cycle. Right now, I think we're in a vicious cycle. And, you know, we all have to work hard to break that vicious cycle and get into a virtuous cycle that we all feel good about.

 

Suzette Conway  36:47

Yeah, I think you're absolutely right. And I think it's happening, it's everywhere. You look at the – what is the youngest generation these days - it's not the millennials, it's the Gen Zers. Right? I think is that the youngest generation? They have totally different expectations about their work environments. They are not willing to tolerate being expected to work 80 hours a week and be paid for one job… to have their whole life taken over by a work environment where people don't respect them and kind of use them up and spit them out. And like this old way of doing things isn't sustainable with the younger generation coming up. And I think what you're starting is going to be carried forward long after you're gone by those kinds of people. But I think your work is so critical in creating the space for this to start and sparking it. And being a leader of other future leaders. It's just so important.

 

Kathy Eastwood  37:36

Thanks. I hope so that's my goal is, like I said, eradicate the bad managers. And I think the youth are absolutely where they're going to help make the biggest change, right? They want purpose. They don't want to just work, you know? The baby boomers, they're like, What do you do, and you work, you know, so hard for what? And no, I want to have purpose, I want to feel good about myself, I want to, you know, do good. And they want to do good. But leaders need to know how to really help paint a picture for them, engage them, help them deliver results. And it's going to take a whole new type of leadership for them.

 

Suzette Conway  38:18

You know, it really highlights some things that there’s… they want a purpose, right, they want a sense of meaning what you're saying. But it doesn't always have to be like just one for one direct, like, Oh, let me go work for a nonprofit that plants trees in the inner city, and that how I’m gonna get purpose. Part of how we have a sense of purpose in our life and feel, therefore a sense of meaningfulness for what we're doing, is exactly what you were talking about, which is lining up what we do and how we are. So not just doing but being in alignment with our values. So, when you know the truth of who you are, and what's important to you, your values, your priorities, your skills, the things that bring you joy, all of this stuff like that - when you can incorporate the way you are being anywhere - at work and your relationships, in your communities - so that they align to that, you have a greater sense of meaning. And I think that the stuff we're talking about is that people are now starting to expect that to happen at the workplace. We’ve seen it happening, right, in our communities, and our families and our friendships. And it's just more and more coming to be that we expect to be able to find meaningfulness in our workplace, which means we need alignment to our values. And that means we have to know what our values are. And [that includes] the bigger “we”, including the corporations, right? You can't align to what you don't understand.

 

Kathy Eastwood  39:33

No. And that's, that's the first exercise in bootcamp, with my business, is A) define your own values -  what's your purpose, where are you going, you know, how do you like to work, and then B) sharing that with your colleagues and having them tell you what their values are. Do you know how many people have never done that exercise or what your values are?

 

Suzette Conway  39:54

I know a ton right? And especially if they're not used to talking about it at work. It’s not a space you're allowed to talk about that stuff.  Okay, can I just say, we're gonna have to do some sort of shared workshop, because that's literally the first exercise in my module on authenticity, right is like the first topic is living with meaning. And the second topic is living with authenticity. And it's all about getting to know yourself, you can't live and be authentically if you don't know what that is. And we don't make time and a lot of our busy lives and space for that kind of reflection. So again, carving out the time as a practice to examine those things, and then figure out how to align to and apply them. I love that.

 

Kathy Eastwood  40:32

And bring that into the workplace, you know, and then ask other people can be vulnerable and do it themselves.

 

Suzette Conway  40:39

Yeah, model what you want, right? It is, absolutely, it's so essential to happy living, I think to be aligned to your truth.

All right, so besides that - we could talk about that forever - I'm gonna pull us off, just to something.. I know, we're giggling as we're looking at each other! Like it just, it makes me excited to talk to people who are in this space doing this work. I love - and your face is all lit up right now, which I love.

Okay, so besides starting your company, and going on this mission, and building your E3 framework, and all of that stuff, have there been other changes that you'd be willing to share that you've made in your life that make you feel happier and sort of more able to live on your terms and true to who you are?

 

Kathy Eastwood  41:20

Meeting my husband? Yeah. So, you know, I'm divorced, I was divorced, and I was dating unavailable men. And I finally said, Something's not right, something's missing. But what I realized is I hadn't defined who I was, right. And so I did a lot of that work to say, what makes me happy who am I, and making that decision that no, I'm really comfortable with who I am. Now, if I can find a partner that wants to partner with me and continue on this journey, then that will be great. But if I don't, I'm very content and happy and, and I won't say content, I use that as a negative word earlier, but I'd be happy with where I am, and where I'm going. I have a beautiful set of friends that can support me. But it required me to explore my fears, uncertainties and doubts. And I put it all out there, this is what I want in a relationship. And I knew I wanted someone that would sit on my back porch with me, that was going to be on the water and live our lives authentically. And having memories, right, not working for, you know, umpteen hours, and enjoying life. And I opened myself up to that. And that was one of my big changes, quite honestly. And we're going to be celebrating our seventh wedding anniversary coming up next week. And it's been well worth that effort. But it wasn't easy. It didn't just I didn't just bump into him. It took a lot of work on my part and his part, he was doing the same journey. And so, we met.

 

Suzette Conway  43:06

I love that. You know, there's certain areas that science tells us that we that contribute to having a thriving human experience, right? And one there, we talked about some of them having a sense of meaningfulness being authentic and vulnerable. But one of the other big ones is relationships. And I think something that you've hit on here is that it starts with your own personal relationship with yourself. Everything is an inside job if we want the best kind of life, right. And, I think that's so powerful to just point that out - that having a good relationship with yourself is the foundation to having good relationship with other people. And good relationships are so important to a thriving life. Without them we are lonely. And did you know that like they are the scientists are saying now that loneliness is as bad as smoking in terms of the impact it has on your lifespan, right? Yeah. And so yeah, and so it's just I just, I love that one of the biggest changes you made in your midlife shift was to get married. And I say that because if you don't mind my saying, Can I share it like you were in midlife when you met your husband? Right? It's not like you guys met when you were in your late 20s, you had a lot of life experience coming into it. And I think that's worth sharing. Because I think it's easy to think that we get to our lives at 40 and 50, and hell, 60s are going to be midlife soon enough, as our lifespan continues to grow. It's easy, I think, to get to the point where we fear changing things because we think we're too old for the things we want - too old for love too old for a business tool and I have this saying that you're not too old, and it's not too late. But it is time. If you are getting this nudge inside your spirit, it is time to do something about it. And I think you're a really great example of what is possible when you do your own inner work, when you're clear on what you want and who you are, and when you are willing to see the fear but not let it stop you.

 

Kathy Eastwood  44:52

Yep, but working with others as well, Suzette, right? You know, I think circles are one of the most important things to help you on the journey, as well. It's an opportunity, but you have to be true to yourself and being willing to share. Because when you are able to share, that's when you learn a tremendous amount.

 

Suzette Conway  45:12

Yeah, that's so true. Thank you for that. So grateful for our friendship than our circle. Alright, let me ask you this. So, we talk a little bit about some internal challenges like fear and things like that. And some external challenges, even in the sense of like, our parents or other loved ones think we're kind of nuts when we're following our heart. Right? What are some of the challenges that you've that you've faced as you started to do all of this? And as you've been on the journey of creating who you are and what you want, right? And how did you overcome them?

 

Kathy Eastwood  45:44

I think it's, it's recognizing first, what are those voices? Or what are those challenges? I think addressing them, and learning what they could be right? Right, like, I didn't know I had this voice in my head that, you know. As much as I said, I love my father and all the greatness he's done, my dad is also a male chauvinist. So, he held me back in my beliefs for a lot of years. So, it was identifying them first and naming them, right. And once I can name it, then I kind of put it out there and said, Okay, I need to recognize that that's living there with me and not let it take over. And so, I think naming it was a big thing for me, and then recognizing when it was coming up, and then trying to seek support, you know, when I get there, yeah, I, people would probably laugh at me. But how many coaches and circles and friends and in my sphere, because it depends on where I am at that time, and where I need, you know, help on getting past it. I

 

Suzette Conway  46:52

love everything about that. I love what you're talking about just this notion of our circles, who we surround ourselves with, right? And that the people in that circle can change, or how many circles, you could think of it like that. But like how many circles you have or who's in the circle changes as your needs change. As you evolve. As you level up as you try new things. It's important to make room for that right for one person to step out and another person to step in. And I know I just made a similar change in my life where I let go of a coach that I've had for six years. And in my mind, when I did it, it was always like, of course, I'm going to go right back to her, I just need some space, you know, to do some other things, I need a different path for a little while. And now I'm not even sure if that like I don't know what's going to come of it. Because I believe in the power of coaches and mentors and, and all of that stuff. But it's a great example of how making room for some people to fall out of the circle so others can come in is important too, right? And to know that we made I don't want to send it we need help like you, I think, we have in us what we need to do what we need to do. But I think it is helpful. And it's okay and important to look for help from other people who are on the same journey, who are maybe two steps ahead of us or who went a different direction that we haven't seen yet, you know, and just we need people to reflect back to us the crap we don't see in ourselves, right?

 

Kathy Eastwood  48:09

That is true. Like I said, I look at myself as I'm a driver and get things done, and many around me think I'm bossy, telling them what to do.

 

Suzette Conway  48:20

That's so funny. It's so funny, I think, can I just say also how often it is that women get labeled as bossy when they are exactly what you're describing, which is “I'm confident I know what we need to do. I'm not afraid to speak up”. And sometimes I think accepting that label is a good answer. Like, yeah, I'm like, I'm boss lady, right? Like, you know, you own it and change it. But I think it's also so critical to notice how we name things and define things. And you were saying your dad was at one point, I don't want to label him too much, like you said he was chauvinistic when you were growing up, and that affected how you defined yourself. And I can't help but wonder how that relates to what you said earlier that you were very comfortable being second in charge. Like not stepping into your own power, right? What how does that relate to the messages you receive, about how we define women and their place in this world and how you define yourself as a result? Those are questions worth asking.

 

Kathy Eastwood  49:16

Oh, yeah, I spent a lot of time on that! Self-reflection, Suzette, very powerful.

 

Suzette Conway  49:21

I would say selfish. Like, I always asked what it say that if overthinking burned calories I'd be dead or a size four, right? But I think also like if spending enormous amounts of time on self-reflection burn calories, I'd be just as skinny. Oh, goodness. Okay, um, let me see if I have any other questions for you. I think I think we've kind of covered everything I wanted to talk to you about. Let me scroll up a little bit more. Oh, let me ask you this one. Okay, I have two more big questions for you and then we can kind of wrap it up. What brings joy in your life? Like, what do you want more of, today, from where you are today? We've been talking about your journey and where you started. But where you are right now, what do you want more of in your life?

 

Kathy Eastwood  50:11

More time with friends and family. I know that I will never look back and say “Oh, I wish I worked more.” So, it really is about how to spend more time with the people that I love and care about. And having more travel and wine.  

 

Suzette Conway  50:36

Okay, so save the travel because that's my last question for you! But my next little last question is, whenever I'm speaking to people about this topic, I always want to know from someone who's doing this in their lives… what advice would you offer to other midlife women who may be ready to create something more in their life? Maybe they don't know what that is yet, right? They're ready to find what's missing? What advice would you offer them about how to intentionally create it and live a richer life beyond what you've already suggested? If there's anything else

 

Kathy Eastwood  51:04

Don't allow yourself to use the word I can't. I think that “I can't do this I can't do that” is so limiting. And what I often advise people in is my other value, to “think idealistically and not realistically”. Because if you fall short on your idealistic goals, you'll end up at the realistic, you fall short of going for the realistic, you'll fall short of what you really want to accomplish.

 

Suzette Conway  51:39

Okay, there's so much goodness in that I love that. I love that even if you fall short of your biggest dreams, you're just still ahead of the game for where you were, and you just dreamt realistically. I love that. And then I love. One of the things that I've been practicing two things around what you were saying about don't say I can't, I've learned the power of the word yet. So I can't do it yet. I don't know it yet. I don't feel comfortable with this yet leaves so much room for potential of impossibility. And it rewires the way your brain's neural pathways think about something. So, you can honestly still say I can't do it, right? Like that's how you feel, and doing mantras like “I can do it I can do it”  just reinforces in your brain, the fact that you think you can't do it, right. That's why you have to do the mantra. But there's truth and “I can't do it yet. But I'm trusting somehow that I'll figure it out.” I love “let go of I can't.” And if you can't [do that], add the word yet. And then in and the other thing is, I think watch for subtle versions of that. I know for myself, I the word “try” is how I take myself out. Well, “I'm trying to build a business. I'm trying to do this. I'm trying to learn how to do X, Y and Z.” You know, well, what do you do? “Well, I'm trying to write a book.” It's the subtle way that I sabotage myself instead of being declarative, right? Like I am writing a book. I am you know…

 

Kathy Eastwood  53:00

…All right. I’m taking notes on that one, Suzette. That's going to help me a lot.

 

Suzette Conway  53:04

I think it's in line with what you're saying, right? It's just – it’s funny because our ego will take us out however it can. And it's not always obvious. It took me ages to realize that “try” had to come out of my vocabulary because I was preemptively positioning myself to be okay with the failure. And not even just me, other people. Because I'm a big like people-pleaser sort of thing. So, it's like, if I say I'm trying, and I'm not declarative about it, I'm not super owning it, then it's just assumed that I'm going to fail on what I do. No one's going to be surprised, including me.

Alright, so I always like to end on a personal question and we're coming up on our hour so I'm gonna go ahead and wrap us up. What adventure not one adventure what travel would you like to do next? Like you mentioned travel and I know you've always been a lover of travel where do you want to go now?

 

Kathy Eastwood  53:53

A month in Italy. In Tuscany. In a villa. Where friends are coming to visit constantly.

 

Suzette Conway  54:00

I love that you said that because all I could think was I'm coming with you.

 

Kathy Eastwood  54:04

Absolutely!  Suzette, you know how many people we had on our multiple honeymoons? Everyone's welcome.

 

Suzette Conway  54:13

Hahaha! I love that. I love, love, love that. Oh my goodness. Kathy, this has been so amazing. So, I want to - I feel like I keep trailing us on like “one more thing” - I want to ask you just - what do you feel like you are walking away with today? Like what are you taking from today? What are you hoping to leave as a last thought? What jumped out at you from today?

 

Kathy Eastwood  54:42

Well, I wrote down I'm going to make sure that I'm not sabotaging myself with the word “try”, because my guess is it's in their, in my vocabulary. You know, my takeaways from today is just it's always good to reflect. So what I'm enjoying is kind of going back through my history and I forget some of the things I've accomplished. So I want to thank you for reminding me because that helps me feel better about things. And you know, I just I hope everyone could feel inspired to think idealistically and not realistically, right? Don't let fears, uncertainty and doubts, get in your way, but just go for it. Because what's the worst thing that can happen? You end up in my parents basement? And they'll have you by the way, so..

 

Suzette Conway  55:33

[laughter] Everybody listening to this podcast, new backup plan, Kathy's parent’s basement!

 

Kathy Eastwood  55:39

Exactly. I better call my mother and tell her to get ready..

 

Suzette Conway  55:45

Make some lasagna or something people are coming.

 

Suzette Conway  55:47

Well, thank you for that. I feel like I got a lot out of today, it was a very rich thing for me. And I took a few notes as we were going, because I want to sum up for people. It's so funny, I have this thing that I created for one of my other podcasts about how to know if you're ready for your midlife shift. And you hit all of these. So I don't know if you hit all of them, but you hit the big ones. So I'm gonna call out some things you said to remind people, what are some signs that they can know if they're ready for their own midlife shift. And one of them is know your values and pay attention to whether or not the things you're doing and being are aligned to those values. In your case, the job that you were in that you knew you needed to leave when you hit a tipping point was - they weren't value aligned, right? Tap into what your inner child wants, right? Understand. There's a point in our lives when we're sweet and innocent and dream big. And we are trained out of that by society. It's a normal part of the human experience. If you can reconnect to that that's a big thing about first noticing that you're disconnected from it. And then tapping into it by remembering what you wanted as a child. Know your superpower. Yours is caring about other people really, truly wanting to understand them. And, when you can know your superpower, then you can also say, am I using it? Do I get to express it every day? How would I feel if I didn't if I did get to express it as a part of my experience in this life. Seek support. Don't be afraid to seek some support when you're ready, and that includes if you're not sure you're ready. If you think “something's off and I don't know what it is”, it's okay to go ask some friend. Reach out expand your circle as you need to. You also had I'm gonna rephrase this - name it to tame it. Right? Like when you are dealing with things naming it pulls the power out of it, but it also it makes it real in a way that's safe and empowering. Like I got this – my coach used to say on powerful people can look at the truth of themselves,right? And I think that's exactly what you've been talking about. And then my very, very favorite, which I think you need to turn into a bumper sticker woman is think idealistically not realistically, and I think that's a perfect way to end the show. Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Kathy, for being here that

 

Kathy Eastwood  57:54

Thank you, Suzette. This was a pleasure. Thank you so much.

 

Suzette Conway  57:58

I hope everybody got something amazing out of this episode. To me, there is so much power in knowing that we are all deserving of and also responsible for creating our best life, whatever that is for us. And shifting and creating intentionally are important skills to learn. And it's so wonderful and inspiring to see people like you can't be who are actually using those skills to create what you want. It's powerful and it's uplifting. So thank you.

I just want to thank my guest, Kathy Eastwood. She is the founder of the equals y. And if you want to reach out to her, I'm going to include all of her contact information and her social channels in the show notes. And Kathy, thank you for being here today and sharing your inspiring story of a midlife shift with us. I'm so motivated by you to continue my own shift and so grateful to have friends like you.

 

Suzette Conway  58:48

Well, that's it for today's episode. If you enjoyed this show, come join the ongoing conversation that we're going to have about it in the Facebook group and share what resonates with you. There's a link in the show notes for that group. Also, please share the podcast with your friends and subscribe so you don't miss a thing.

Thanks for listening to the Sparkle Moments™ podcast, produced by Purple Chicken Life and shared through the Flittersphere™. I'm Suzette Conway and you can find me at Flittersphere.com.

Remember, you deserve to have your most vibrant life and the world needs the highest version of you. Those two things are related and they're worthy of your attention because you are the only one who can create the life your soul craves, and when you do everyone around you benefits! So go on, be vibrant.

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